It must be a nightmare knowing you could be shot by a nutcase at any time, day or night. BTW, I like the 9mm and .45 pretty much equally and have both calibers. Regarding "damage" - both have about the same amount of energy, both leave indistinguishable wound tracks in pliable human tissue - we're not clay. This really isn't the place for an in depth spiritual discussion, but your comment was interesting. It is not an issue. Forced to choose I'd take 9mm all day for so many reasons.. 9mm or 45? If youre firing 9mm ammo with a pistol caliber carbine, expect to get another 5-10% velocity out of your ammo. Ultimately, both calibers are great to have. Any one who reads this should know that vital truth! What may look like running away to someone not involved, might loot a lot more moving to cover from someone getting, or anticipating getting, shot at. I found all-steel frames a tad heavy for pocket carry, even in compact size. what do you expect from them? Youre alluding to it but youve cited nothing My personal word: I would like to add that the FBI test comparisons that are referred to are only half the test. So follow up shots are almost more important that the 1st shot all of these variables added up, the 9mm almost will always win the advantage One advantage that was mentioned I disagree with. I have 38 special, 9mm, and a 12 GA shotgun at home. Just keep pulling the trigger. Everything is a compromise. But it makes for a fairly good read for those new to external ballistics. And you are citing nothing but your feelings ! The Army, (of course), received them first. I have played many scenarios in my head and I always conclude that the proximity of an assailant in the street would be greater than the proximity in a home. Some can say that you can carry more rounds ina 9mm than a .45. With boxes of 9mm Luger rounds being 30% to 40% cheaper than .45 ACP ammo, increased range time isnt going to break your budget. (btw; I cast, coat and load 40, 41 & 45 Colt). BE SAFE!! However, if you compare cartridges with similar sizes, you may find that the 40.-caliber has comparable speeds. But can you deal with what you've done afterwards mentally? I don't care what you carry, it being a 22lr or 50AE, just make sure you carry something. At Self-Defense ranges for a pistol, 50 fps will provide no positives or negatives. Here we go agin, 9mm vrs 45, .45 S&W Shield for concealed and home defense and Glock 17 for shtf all bases covered. For me personally But personally I would have both a BIG gun like 44 Magnum and spray, not one or the other. Americans note that Europeans have small countries with a central government each, whereas the US is a country thousands of miles across with 367 million people, and a ton of different states. To actually answer the question of velocity by barrel length for 9mm Luger, and what the ideal barrel length is, namely for something like an AR-15 / AR-9 pistol or SBR, we'll discuss below. With half coming in under 400 ft lb. Plus, I think the just plain weight of the 45 carries more "oomph". But I think 9 millimeter Luger is a better carbine round over .45 Auto. He survived wounds to the chest, back, both arms and both legs. The downside of a Glock is that it is a Glock. If you have a budget that, hypothetically, only allows you to fire 100 rounds at the range per visit every week/month, then that same budget will only get you 60-70 rounds with a 45. The wound tracks of a 9mm and a .45 ACP are almost the same. There really isnt any hydrostatic shock to speak of at handgun cartridge velocities to begin with. 1) by making bigger holes and 2) by making more holes. gear. TL after me had 116 CQK, and TL after him had over 40 (and a posthumous MOH). When all you have is six rounds, you sure better be accurate, reloading took precious time. But the greater concern is, that Judges in my country do not like defensive shooting. Wrong, you change the angle. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. 1 thing that cannot be argued is that the 22 cal is very effective. 20-30% really isn't that bad. Unlike in a home defense situation, the ability to shoot through a wall, automobile, or various other objects in a combat scenario can be the difference between life and death. Best thing to do before buying, in my opinion, It kills everything else. You can vaguely cite "muzzle energy" but it ultimately means nothing with so many variables. A couple of things: 1. It stops would be's and penetration is a non issue. I do exactly as you stated, we think alike. You think you can outshoot SWAT? I would want to be shot by the round with less penetration and less muzzle energy, 45ACP, because I have a greater chance of surviving - not that my odds are good either way. Do you want to be shooting a bullet likely to go through a wall or a car door killing or maiming an innocent bystander? Don't be so quick to kill your brother just because his opinion is different than yours . http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/megraphs/45auto.html With the 7 round magazine it fits in my jeans front pocket. some info is well hidden for obvious reasons. I thought this was going to get way uglier in the comments. When I shoot a Glock 19 defensively I am shooting a stream of 3-5 shots which land in roughly a 2 1/2" circle. While slightly impractical, the .45 ACP also has the coolness factor on its side. My husband doesn't like the sound of loud guns, so I might buy a silencer for it if this will let me buy a gun for myself without him complaining about its sounds when I'm training. Check out ballisticsbytheinch.com. May be a great home defense gun, but far from ultimate . LEOs average 20-30% hits in a gunfight. The report indicated that the new powders and more advanced bullet designs used in current 9mm defensive loads allowed for the caliber to deliver almost similar performance to other calibers, like the .45 ACP, and .40 S&W. First mag size for home or personal defense holds no water! Yes I have owned many 9mm, when I was younger. The more energy, the more potential for damage. I say different tools for different tasks. Learn all the important stuff about handgunswith none of the attitude. The 45 exhibited less muzzle jump than my 9mm. I knew folks who carried small .22LR automatics (Beretta etc) or light weight revolvers that family could Mail to RVN. FNX 45 T is my bedstand gun with 15 +1, RMR and 1000 lumen Surefire. Let me start out by saying that the biggest mistake that most people make is taking a black-and-white stance on the .45 ACP and 9mm. The 9mm features some interesting advantages. Now, there are already bazillions of guns out there in the US, and Americans are never going to give them up, noway, nohow. When you actually test the loads on living breathing targets (like the Strasbourg test) , that (to me) is the best indicator. Therefore, if you are using rifle cartridges for long-range hunting, you not only need to be concerned with muzzle velocity, but you should also understand the rated velocity for the distance you to target. 2. States where the max is ten bullets per magazine then 45 cal. 45 ACP Ballistics I do not have much experience with guns in general and do not own a hand gun. Then rinse and repeat as needed. I have several carry modes active: inside the waist band, outside the waist band, pocket (jeans, shorts and jacket), and .380 on the ankle. one of them went completely through the bear. I'm not sure 45 is a good choice for bear country, most folks choose a large caliber magnum revolver with bonded solids for that job. Although higher velocity projectiles always generate more kinetic energy they clearly do not produce deeper penetration, and when the velocities reach the levels common to today's magnums, the increases in velocity result in significantly reduced penetration. I can't imagine that trade would be so great either. U.S.A. -(Ammoland.com)- Ever since I first mentioned doing a .45 ACP muzzle velocity article, people have been asking me if I would do a follow-up with the 9x19mm. The 1911, in my opinion, is a fantastic user friendly design. This debate of 9 versus 45 just comes down to personal choice with today's ammo. I am not sure if i would like to be hit by one 45 acp or 4 high velocity hollow point 22's ( honestly i can say neither but i do not disagree just throwing my 2 cents in it is all about shot control and placement. I was surprised because the gun twisted in my palm about 1/2" or more to my left with a sharp pinging sound that was not very comfortable to my ears. This is why the center mass target shooting with a double tap is taught with handgun self defense. They are extremely different. .45 People talk about stopping power and knock down power. Get free updates when we add new tips, articles and more! Point and shoot, only need to hit my target oncethen they're down. If Im going for a fragmentation round, give me a .357 SIG from Liberty Civil defense at 2,300 FPS. Velocity: 1,181 ft/s. Even though this is supposed to be an excellent round, with great expansion in gelatin, this bullet had almost zero expansion. It's human nature. I solved the argument of the 9mm vs the 45acp I have a 10mm and it's the best of both worlds, I am a Competition shooter I have shock sigsauer 9 mm Very unimpressed first of all Sigg Sire that I have the frame is bent If a 9mm fails, it won't perform anywhere close to an unexpanded .45 and will punch a tony hole. What do you think? Essentially, the 9mm will recoil on average 50% less making it easier for shooters to get their sights back on target for follow-up shots. I would prefer to ha ve more rounds just in case. The cookie stores information anonymously and assigns a randomly generated number to recognize unique visitors. If you live in an apartment, or even a neighborhood, there's no way to know what's behind your target. So if you double tap someone or use Mozambique you are in lots of troubles and you are looking for serious jali time for murder. The Glock is my every day carry. 15 years ago, a 210 or 215 was something to be embarrassed about. Any reference to "stopping power" in regards to the aforementioned rounds is laughable. Thank you. You'd first have to understand what muzzle energy is without using Google. At the end of the day, marksmanship always wins out. Momentum is more important than energy for potency. You shouldnt be shooting in long distance situations if its self defense situation. If he dont go down choot em again. Talk about high-capacity magazines! YouTube - Store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen - 2. Lots of bullets. At a 30% hit rate during actual combat (due to adrenaline and urgency of quickness) add in a fall rate like no other (45) and it drops to 20%. I like the Bodyguard, unlike a lot of people. And the one kept loaded in the bio-lock case bedside is the Colt's Government Issue, with 2 clips of Hornady Critical Defense alongside. And 357 magnum also. The big question is how to navigate the freeze and put rounds on target. When I asked them why .they said it was because they didn't make a 46. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to. Glocks are the most widely used, and are certainly good enough for almost all applications. However i must say I have quite a bit of arthritic damage in both Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. My grandfather gave it to me back in the early 1990s before he died. I was in the Corps during the .45 ACP to 9mm swap. 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A myth that TV and movies have given the world is that American warfighters won WWII, but really the amount of American blood contributed to the war effort was comparably insignificant -- especially compared to the Soviets. What miffed me most about this test was that the gains across barrel lengths were essentially predictable. For CC, I like the XD-M elite 3.8 inch. The truth is both velocity and mass increase penetration just as both increase energy, but this is what we have to realize. 4. Hmmm, always been a 1911 45cal chap,although 38cal is certainly better than 9mm which has been known to bounce off suspects believe it or not.Good article,interesting points! Accuracy is affected by the stress of being shot at, the need to establish effective cover, high respiratory rate from the exertion required to get to that cover, moving (and sometimes multiple) targets and other factors. I literally just bought one of these. Hornady 100 Gr. The 9mm also has a higher muzzle velocity than the .45 ACP because of its lighter bullets. That has nothing to do with WWII and everything to do with people not remembering or even wanting reminders of our past to keep them on the right path. 9mm is a better beginners and plinkers gun and 45acp is more for someone experienced thats wants to lay the smack down. But as I wrote before, I will be sent to jali for that and I dont like small places :D This testing is very valuable to many 9 mm shooters. The .45 is a good caliber, and I have one or two of them. Ballistics101.com's handgun testing is even more comprehensive and makes the .45 look even more powerful. My instructors told me that the main r reason the Navy didn't want to switch to a 9mm was that you can hit a 300 pound man with a 9mm as he's running toward you. Its such a pathetic argument. It depends on the body armor (type and quality) as well as the ammunition used. Not worth a flip as a carry gun unless one is more Shaq sized than me but for home defense, it works very well. A 9mm fires . Those are the only advantages. LCP Max may be a contender for that first category, but I might wait for the Glock answer (a 42x? Standard pressure .38 Special only produces 264 foot-pounds of force (147-grain bullet at 900 feet per second . Factory loaded rounds are most commonly available with 115, 124, or 147 grain projectiles. For more than 30 years, the Beretta M9 and M9A1 have been the standard sidearm of the US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps. yo prefiero una .45 acp de gran capacidad, p 14, una mega star, una glock en modelos 21 y 30; todas ellas por el gran poder de contundencia. In most cases, the larger the bullet you have, the slower the velocity. You end up with the same energy as a .223/5.56 but with less risk of over penetration , which is great for a situation like home defense when you cant always know whats on the other side of the wall. LockA locked padlock With a wider selection of officers being able to shoot handguns chambered in 919mm, many departments choose this caliber so they can standardize around a single firearm and loading, making logistics and supply easier. Muzzle velocity refers to the speed of a bullet as it passes through the muzzle of a gun. I have to agree you do need both a 9mm and a 45 cal as far as comparing them I feel it is apples and oranges both are great. I was working off averages that clearly didn't account for the extreme edge of the versatility of the 45 ACP cartridge. This is where accuracy matters. So, caliber choice. I'm sure when you wrote your "9mm vs .45 ACP" article back in April 2017, your link labeled "canceled out in some states" did go to "smartgunlaws.org" where their information on gun laws was displayed. For HD, I have a 12gauge but my G19 is fine. The 9mm carbine is rapidly replacing the 12-gauge shotgun in many areas of law enforcement, because it holds more ammunition, makes hits more easily, and has negligible recoil. Along with comments as well! As mentioned in the video, over-penetration isnt as big of a problem with the .45 ACP because of its slower, bulky bullets. I don't want to carry anything bigger. If FMJ is my only choice, then I won't pick 9mm as my first choice. A 230 grain .452" diameter projectile traveling at 835 fps has a Taylor KO of 12 while a 124 grain .355" diameter projectile traveling at 1150 fps has a Taylor KO of 7. I'd prefer to hit with a slow moving baseball than a faster golf ball . 15 +1, RMR and 1000 lumen Surefire that it is a beginners. 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