This was a secretive killer who is believed to have taken half of his murders with him to the grave. https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/cindy_interview_mofo.mp3, Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. Its going to have to be a little bit vague on that. CINDY: I gave him the number at the Big Timber. Youve taken on some very interesting, challenging roles lately in different genres like this film and also Gimme Shelter. He said cause he used to work on the slopes and that he would come down and spend money for a girl and go to her room for ten or fifteen minutes. Cindy I notice that you are visibly upset and have tears and crying. We just want her to be identified.'. Robert claimed that the teen was trying to blackmail him; he convinced a buddy to give him an alibi, and that was that. CINDY: Uh huh. CINDY: Yeah. FLOTHE: If you can move your hand away from your face a little bit I want to make sure we get it on the tape recorder, OK? First, we hear about that meet up from Robert Hansens confession. In this installment, Cindy provides additional information about how she met and ended up with Robert Hansen. Hansen was convicted in 1984 after confessing to killing 17 women, mostly dancers and prostitutes, during a 12-year span in the 1970s and 80s. On June 13, 1983, Cindy Paulson was kidnapped and raped, her life threatened by Robert Hansen. Lemon Creek Superintendent Dan Carothers called it "the bust of the decade" for Alaska prison officials. (inaudible) Even though we were filming something that was so heavy and tough to come to work for every day, he had this enthusiasm and energy about him that was just so upbeat and lighthearted, so that even though it was serious, you felt excited and safe. FLOTHE: So if youre unsure about something (Cindy coughs) just tell me, all right? And I said, Fine, no problem.. Despite his growing rap sheet, Hansen escaped notice when Anchorage women soon began to disappear. See if theres anyone in here that you might recognize. Once theyd arrived Robert left his handcuffed victim in the back seat of his vehicle while he loaded his aircraft as per usual; Cindy waited until her captor was distracted, and when she saw her chance she jumped out of the car and ran for her life! FLOTHE: Horns? Cindy Paulson Interview with Sgt. Apparently youre bothered by this? Lets touch on this serials background for a minute, because thats important when looking at a killer. Hansen later became one of the first prisoners at the newly opened Spring Creek Correctional Center, where he had remained until this year. She would, of course, run like hell for her life, but the killer would track her down. Handle was brown. He often found his victims among topless dancers and prostitutes in downtown Anchorage. CINDY: A little moustache. So, that was nice. What about Gimme Shelter which is completed? CINDY: Yep. Process Intensification with BC:Ntensify, Technology and Innovation Leadership Team, Brown and Caldwell looks to the future of 75 years and counting, Black History Month and Engineers Week: Why I became an engineer. No matter what her husband did, even after hed been arrested and jailed for rape, she remained by her husbands side. Still, he couldve taken a life before he was busted, who knows? When his truck became stuck in the mud, the woman tried to run. CINDY: And then up here to where I was starting to get it off. Hansen owned a bakery in a downtown mini mall and lived across town with his wife and children, who knew nothing of his double life. Alaska's Missing Planes and People. CINDY: Theres no trees in the front yard. CINDY: They look the same. Thats why he did it. John A. Paulson founded Paulson & Co., an investment management firm based in New York. And he had pulled out his wallet and showed me a whole bunch of money Im not going to help you do that, all right? CINDY: Like a convertible (inaudible), 1978 Buick Century 4-Door Sedan (This photo is NOT Hansens Buick, but it is similar). Over by that house on Fourth, with the pickup truck camper. I actually shot that before I filmed this (The Frozen Ground) interestingly enough. I think hes such an incredible filmmaker. The security guard had came up I dont know if I was in the back laying down when he [the security guard] did. He joined the ADN in 2004 and was also an editor and investigative reporter at KTUU-TV. We all have the same needs. Hansens House, Old Harbor Road (copyright Leland E. Hale). I play Cereza which means Cherry in Spanish which says a lot about the character. Jack Halcombe (Nicolas Cage), who convinces her to help him bring Hansen to justice. He was the lead reporter on the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Lawless" project and is part of an ongoing collaboration between the ADN and ProPublica's Local Reporting Network. And he contacts you. CINDY: He approached me. In her case, becoming authentic on the job took 10-plus years. FLOTHE: Really dark color. That seemed to be a common enough thing to do, plenty of troubled Americans had moved to Alaska to start a new life, and this worked out splendidly for Robert! * I strive to be as concise as possible when it comes to facts as theres no telling what an article may be used for. In 1984 this serial was sentenced to 461 years, a ridiculous amount of years to ensure that he would never be released again. FLOTHE: And he contacts you at where? CINDY: Uh huh. Required fields are marked *. The identity of one of his victims, who was found near Horseshoe lake north of Anchorage has never been established and now her remains are being exhumed. In order to keep their witness close, the state trooper and his wife befriended the young survivor, then Glenn reached out to the FBI. CINDY: Some times they were. CINDY: Same. Were all connected. CINDY: A police officer at the Sixth Avenue police department. CINDY: It wasnt painted. Stephen Hoage, operations administrator for the state medical examiner's office said: 'We know what happened to her. While there does not seem to be a singular traumatic event in Roberts childhood which we can pinpoint, it appears that hed had a really difficult time in most aspects of his life as a kid and even as an adult he just couldnt (or wouldnt) let it go. FLOTHE: Did he give you change? I operated behind a work persona. Okay, she was standing there and I was driving down the street and she waved a little bit and so forth and I pulled up there and talked with her. As soon as he was of age Robert joined the Army reserves and moved to another town where he found himself a wife, but he was still treated badly. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. To the left is the basement. In this installment, Cindy talks about being handcuffed by Robert Hansen at gunpoint and identifies his handgun. Required fields are marked *. Other times, he would let the women go free in the wilderness and then hunt them with his rifle. What was your reaction when you first read the script? What did you learn from them? Some people dont care to dive into it, but its the reason that I do this. And then we hear about the same meet up from Cindy Paulsons perspective, documented in her trooper interview with Sgt. Too often, Robert Hansen was believed instead of the women, many of them dancers or prostitutes, who testified against him. CINDY: I dont think so. So you go into the garage, what happens then, when you get into the garage? FLOTHE: OK. Police suspected the real death toll was even higher. CINDY: He wrote it down on a (inaudible). FLOTHE: About what time? When it was time for Hansen to go to prison, his plea agreement included a request, according to accounts at the time: He would do his time outside Alaska. Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part II July 18, 2017 Admin Leave a comment This is Installment Two of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. Only reason I know was cause I was layin there. CINDY: The Buick car, inside the garage. Order my latest book, What Happened In Craig, HERE and HERE, true crime on Epicenter Press about Alaskas Worst Unsolved Mass Murder. CINDY: The Buick Century. He seemed really like a pretty good guy. This site is not free, I pay more than $300 just to keep this. Glenn Flothe, AST. Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. I absolutely adore him. And do what he pleased with her. He was convicted of just four of the murders in a deal that spared him having to go to trial 17 times. This actually wasnt an uncommon thing for parents to do during this time period, plenty of us lefties in past generations were forced to conform, but apparently this deeply scarred this young man. CINDY: Uh huh. (inaudible) The horns that were up there, the big ol antler horns, theyre called. And, getting to that point, its so powerful, she says. I think it will be a fun change of pace for me. "He was mild-mannered Bob the Baker, and as I'm looking at him, all of sudden he transformed. It turned into a cat and mouse chase. If it was something technical, of course, it would take a couple more takes, but for the most part, hes the kind of director that filled me in, let me know the mood that he wanted to convey and where he wanted it to land. FLOTHE: Youre positive. As was Hansens wont, he wanted to feel things out. It was funny though, cause before, when he was getting ready to take me to his cabin, he said that, um, there had been seven other girls before me. BC is creating the space for more diverse thoughts and experiences and bringing better solutions to our clients as a result, she adds. No problem. And Ill give you one guess as to who fit the bill perfectly! And, getting to that point, "it's so powerful," she says. (inaudible). After he was convicted of committing murder, Darla finally let go of her marriage; she promptly divorced her husband, then she and the kids moved back to Arkansas to be with family. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. FLOTHE: Uh huh. Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. Every time it was in my face. How fitting! He joined the ADN in 2004. Hes amazing. FLOTHE: OK. She was hysterical, half-clothed, and had an unbelievable story of survival to tell. Purchase Butcher, Baker, Your email address will not be published. And we got to the house and he drug me downstairs to the as soon as you walk in theres a carpet to the right. He would abduct the women and take them to remote places outside the city, sometimes driving them and other times he would fly his private plane. He was really sweet. CINDY: On the corner of Fourth and Denali. He had been placed in medical segregation in Anchorage, which is akin to being in the hospital, Daigle said at the time. Growing up Robert was scrawny, he had this terrible stutter, and a super bad case of acne; all of this made him the target of bullies everywhere. (inaudible) 10 Underrated Thrillers That Are Destined To Become Cult Classics, 10 Best Movies Trilogies Ranked From 'Spider-Man' to 'The Lord of the Rings', This Spielberg Movie Only Made a $1 Box Office Profit. I mean, bills, or did he just give you the change? FLOTHE: What did he ask you? When will it be released? It seems that every source I looked at says something different, though generally within those three years. So he shows up Sunday night, then. Scott did an amazing job at keeping a very steady uproar and pace. FLOTHE: What was your phone number at that time? Hansen worked in a supply room at the Lemon Creek prison in Juneau, where in 1990 authorities found an aeronautical chart, a hand-knit winter hat, magazine articles on plastic explosives and correspondence with a Juneau boat broker. Though he was doing so well in his new life, Roberts dark urges grew stronger by the day; he could and very often did hunt all of the Alaskan game that he liked, but each kill steadily grew less satisfying than the last. CINDY: Uh huh. FLOTHE: And did you pick an individual out that was Can you talk about your fun cameo in Machete Kills and what that experience was like? "I can still see him when he got livid like that," he said. And so I gave him my telephone number And he was going To be frank, honest, I was asking him for change for a cigarette machine. FLOTHE: He had an automatic garage door opener? I feel like women have an easier time separating from their characters than men do, honestly. The work is being paid for by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and a former forensic anthropologist for the Georgia Bureau of Investigation is working for the center on the case. Her name is Cindy Paulson. CINDY: Cause they told me, the police officers had told me when we went to the hospital. FLOTHE: OK. CINDY: On Fourth and Denali. I chatted there with her a little bit and, uh, made an agreement with her that I was going to see her sometime. I understand youre in early talks for The Kitchen Sink which has been described as a monster genre mash-up. FLOTHE: About how long did you have contact with him on Friday? You know, I was supposed to meet him. All throughout the mid seventies and even into the eighties Robert carried on with his hobby of abducting and murdering women, and there's no telling how much longer he would've lasted had he not decided to attack a 17 year old girl by the name of Cindy Paulson in June of '83. Were able to have honest and trusting conversations about how to make BC, and hopefully the industry, a place We must take small steps to make a positive change in the workplace and industry and, right now, its We work to create a more inclusive space because everyone deserves to live and embrace their truths. Like a station wagon. CINDY: It was a really dark color. CINDY: Yes, its real Hell yeah, Im bothered by it. And if Im not mistaken I think he got green or blue eyes. This is a very intense film. CINDY: Uh huh. CINDY: Bob and then Don. It was Don, and then OK, it was Don and then after we were at his place, and he was going to take me to the airport, he was saying about Bob. Interview with Cindy Morgan DontHateTheGeek 2.2K views 10 years ago Whiplash Final Scene - Andrew Neyman's Performance Awais Irfan 14M views 7 years ago Ned Lightner 52K views 9 years ago The. He found an outlet for his feelings of sexual rejection and frustration through criminalityfirst via smaller displays of power like kleptomania, then graduating to arson, burning down a school bus garage in his hometown of Pocahontas, Iowa in 1960, a crime for which he served 20 months in prison. She Gets rescued By an patrol Officer. (pause) This is Sunday night or early Monday morning? Were the lights on or off? We deserve to identify ourselves and our many pieces, both personally and professionally. FLOTHE: Oh and you saw a sign that said Dead End? The killer had been in declining health for the past year, the department said. Cause at the time, I was very new to Alaska and I dont never go to anybodys house. He was right to worry, state officials later said. Let's get it straight: "My wife befriended Cindy for months at all hours of the night and morning without ever meeting her until two days before she was to testify against Hansen. Daigle, the corrections official, said that as far as she knows Hansen never saw the film. CINDY: No. FLOTHE: On the inside of your left wrist. CINDY: Yeah, but then again one seat looks the same. FLOTHE: Or did he give you any money? Identifying and finding Hansens weapon cache would prove essential to making the murder case against the Butcher, Baker. [Installment Two]. I wish we could say for sure that this was Roberts final victim, but its thought that there were probably more. FLOTHE: I hope not. What did you learn about yourself in the process of making this film? FLOTHE: OK. CINDY: It was a big revolver gun, like a police gun. He takes Paulson to a hospital and her clothes are kept for a rape Kit. For the life of me, i cant see any reason why the state of Alaska, or anyone would keep robert Hansen alive after his conviction Why would you keep a monster like this alive and have the peoples tax money feed such an animal for years.. Cant wrap my head around it.. Alaska does not have the death penalty and has never had it (since Statehood). CINDY: I knew I was in trouble. There were horns. It had a long barrel. This link contains non-graphic crime scene photos from Robert Hansen, it is mostly of the grave sites. Investigators have said that in some instances Hansen would rape the women but return them to Anchorage, warning them not to contact authorities. With his death, the full extent of Hansen's deeds, including the true number of his victims, the location of their bodies and the identities of all the women he kidnapped, raped and sometimes hunted like wild game before murdering might never be known. His alibi - two friends - also admitted they had been lying. So its early in the morning Hansen landed in a federal prison in Pennsylvania but didn't get along with other inmates.He served time in Minnesota before returning to Alaska in May 1988, corrections officials said at the time. Her eventual getaway was central to Hansen's ultimate capture and confession to the murder of dozens of women. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. There was this aha moment that there are a lot of people like me within the company. FLOTHE: And what color were his boots? We all have the same needs. He picked her up in town and told her he was driving her to his home in Muldoon, he said. It was during this 30 month prison stint that he was diagnosed as bipolar with schizophrenic episodes, and wife number one filed for a divorce. RH: Yes. FLOTHE: When you drove up to the house did you see any other cars there at the time? FLOTHE: And then he contacted you on Saturday. At the motel, police found 17-year-old Cindy Paulson, still handcuffed, huddled fearfully in a room. Can you tell me a little about your character and the status of that project? FLOTHE: Number five. There was also a collection of newspaper articles about the killer and his missing victims, and a map with little X marks all over it which indicated where hed dumped his victims. So, just the fact that I put myself in this situation, in this character, to go through these emotions and make myself feel all that I felt is an interesting thing psychology-wise. And hes about five six, weighs about 170 pounds. It just felt (inaudible) and he pulled the gun out and that time he had handcuffs on my hands and I couldnt get the door open. Thats what it takes for teams to bring their best selves to work every day.. FLOTHE: Hairstyle? That was everywhere in the whole In the basement there was fish, there was wolf skin, there was stuffed animals everywhere. He offered me $200 for a blowjob in the car, cause I wouldnt go to his place. The trooper instinctively knew that the girl had been telling the whole truth, that Robert was his killer, and more women were going to die unless he was quickly stopped. And the reality of it is were all human. It was smooth like Figure 20s handle, but the gun was shaped like Figure 21. CINDY: Uh huh. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. As an act of retribution against the people who he felt had tortured him, Robert talked a young bakery employee into helping him blow up a local school bus barn. Glenn had been involved in the investigation of three murdered women; these victims had obviously been connected, they had all been discovered at least partially nude, theyd been shot with the same type of firearm, and buried in a shallow grave. Hes got like frog warts on his face. FLOTHE: Turning the tape off at 8:34 pm. The serial killer wasnt even on the suspect list anymore, hed been completely cleared. Sometime between 71 to 73 Robert began to murder young women. 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